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Is the VA Mental Health Scheduling System Gamed? Senators Seek Audit Cont.
- Categorized in: Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), Depression, January 2012, News, PTSD, Rehabilitation, TBI
Gaming The System
Legislators were particularly disturbed by one practice at the Wilmington VAMC, revealed by Washington. She said a veteran’s first appointment is frequently used only to gather background information and often involves little to no discussion about possible courses of treatment.
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“They may get in within that 14-day window, but it’s just for consultation and getting background information,” Washington said. “A first appointment can be a month to six weeks, easily.”
When VA leaders testified later in the hearing, Murray asked them to respond to Washington’s testimony. “Do you think facilities are gaming the system and not fully reporting wait times?” Murray asked Mary Schohn, VA director of mental health operations.
“VHA does not condone gaming of any sort. I am not aware of particular facilities doing anything of the kind, and if I were I would react immediately,” Schohn said. “We are engaged in auditing to ensure that’s not happening.”
Having a background-gathering session count as a patient’s first appointment to fulfill VA regulations is not how the VA policy is written, Schohn added. “I don’t know about Wilmington, but that’s something I certainly want to follow up on. That’s not the expectation of how services are to be delivered.”
Despite that, the problem of long wait times and lack of physician resources is not limited to a few VAMCs. In July, Murray requested that VA survey their frontline mental-health professionals about whether they have sufficient resources to get veterans into treatment.
VA did so and found that nearly 40% of providers said they cannot schedule an appointment in their own clinic within that 14-day window, and 70% said they did not have adequate staff or space to meet the needs of veterans.
According to an IG report published earlier this year, only 16% of VA facilities visited by IG investigators met their staffing requirements for mental healthcare.
At a committee hearing in May, Antonette Zeiss, PhD, VA’s mental health chief, testified that VA had enough mental healthcare resources to serve its patient population. At this recent hearing, Murray asked Zeiss if she had a different answer.
“I believe we have unprecedented resources, and we’ve gotten them out to the field and we’ve hired and enormous number of staff,” Zeiss said. “And at the time, I believed they were adequate, if used in the most effective ways possible.”
VA is continuing to see an increase in mental-health patients, partially due to increased outreach by the agency, Zeiss said. The department will “aggressively follow all the data” to ensure they have effective predictions of how much funding and staffing is needed.
Legislators questioned whether policy at the top level will have a big enough impact on the needs of specific facilities.
“According to wait-time data provided by VA, veterans at the Spokane VA in my home state wait an average of 21 days for an appointment with a psychiatrist, with the maximum wait time being 87 days. I’ve been told that all of the psychiatrists in Spokane are booked solid for several months,” Murray told Schohn. “I’m very disturbed on the disconnect between providers and your testimony on the wait time issue.”
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I had typed a response but being a coward at heart and fearful of being removed from employment I erased it all.
"The emperor has no clothes on" H. C. Anderson
I think we do pretty good job here at the Bay Pines VA in Florida with regards to seeing new patient's quickly, although follow-up can occasionally be a problem. We have also completely eliminated our backlog of C&P exams, and truly emergent patients are seen in an appropriate, timely, manner.
I hate to talk about the 800-pound Gorilla in the middle of the room, but I wish we could separate the issue of compensation and treatment. I've probably seen a few thousand veterans over the past 12 years, and to my recollection, as well as peers I've spoken to, no Vet has ever asked to have the PTSD diagnosis removed from their problem list or declared themselves improved and have given up their service connection disability payments.
If you 'own' your recovery, consistent with the Recovery Model, wouldn't this seem to be a contradiction?
Please don't waist time and money on another study that will make some congress person feel better. Get the VA additional people to process the claims and give the veterans the help and money they need to survive. Another study or audit is only going to slow the process down even more. There is a problem. Just fix it. You can't audit it and study it to make it better. It is not that difficult to see where the problems are and institute a solution.
This isn't a new problem. I've been a service connected disabled Vietnam veteran since 1978. The over booking, failure of staff to advise the veteran their doctor isn't in for their appointment, under staffed and long waits are the norm not the exception. At some point congress has to catch on to the sham the VA has been forstering.
If you think for one minute that the VA IG is going to give you a factual report I've I got bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Look deep into the problem by going to a clinic at the VAMC, DC. Sit around in one the clinic waiting rooms for an hour, you'll see what is really going on inside VHA. Check the radiology section to find out how hard it is to get an appointment. Call for an appointment only to be told the next available appointment is a 30-40 day wait. Take a trip to the OBG/YN section. If is isn't in the middle of a nearly all male waiting room (VAMC, Manhattan, NY) it will not a the needed staff, equipment, and lavatory facilities for female veterans.
I spent 2 1/2 years in the Appeals Management Center, I St, Washington, DC. Dr. Riveria and I discussed many of these issues during Veteran Service Officer monthly meetings. Would you like to get an ultra sound performed on a table without any foot support? Does a resident/intern make you feel confortable when needing help with you PTSD?
Please don't take my word for any of this information. Have someone on your staff go to a VHA with a veteran to see what kind of treatment they receive.
Generally speaking, it has been my experience, regardless of Department, that there is a difference between what is heard in Washington DC and out in the field. Certainly saw it in FDA.